这手牌挺酷

fcf

今天实在是糟糕的一天， 被cooler 无数次， 不过这手牌挺酷Full Tilt Poker $5/$10 No Limit Hold'em - 2 playersHero (BB): $2436.00BTN/SB: $1804.00Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BB with KJBTN/SB raises to $30, Hero calls $20Flop: ($60.00) Q94(2 players)Hero checks,BTN/SB bets $40, Hero calls $40Turn: ($140.00) 7(2 players)Hero checks, BTN/SB checksRiver: ($140.00) Q(2 players)Hero bets $110,BTN/SB raises to $255, Hero calls $145Final Pot: $650.00Hero shows KJ(a pair of Queens)BTN/SB shows TJ(a pair of Queens)Hero wins $649.50(Rake: $0.50)

enenppl

good read

                               
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nicky1234

that's why jason is DA man~~!!!bet to induce OTR... villian's range OTR is so polarized to queen or air whith no showdown value. So u know villian is notbalanced enough to value raise TT,JJ,KK,AA(which somehow check for value on the turn as well as pot control) or even a strong 9 here ? knowing that u could call him so light , which i assume he had to know

                               
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anyways, two question.1) Is there any background info to make u think that C/C on the river < B/C?2) are we still calling if villian's sizing is much bigger? since we are given 505:145=3.48 :1 here when he only raised to 255,which means we only need to be correct 22.3% of the time.What if villian raised to say 420 or so, i think his sizing is a major factor for u to call?

skizzik

这牌打得太高级了我想我都打不出来对手也有点混乱，QX或set会不bet turn么？除了QX set，他会用中等对子不call而是raise river么？

fcf

it's a funny hand, I have a lot of reads to make that call on the river, but I can't go into the detail of it because this player might play me again and I have a feeling that he knows who I am.

rooroo

哦,fcf老师用中文讲讲好啦他肯定不懂的我敢肯定所有见到这一局的人都很想知道你当时是怎么做判断的或者,能否至少透露一点，河牌你下注时候是做试探呢还是已经知道他落后了而故意挑逗他反加注？另外，他反加到什么程度你觉得就该弃牌了呢？这也太神奇了！

                               
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我就是学不会偷与反偷

                               
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skizzik

这应该就是level 3以上的thinking，我个人揣测是，因为对手会想FCF老师不可能在flush draw straight draw的board上check call flop+check turn QX或者set，所以老师的donk bet river一定是bluff。然后他分析清楚后习惯re-bluff这里同时他很少in position的情况下慢打monster，draw都是去看free card。并且从不用中等对子做很thin的bluff，底牌两极分化，确保bluff成功的时候确实赢得了一点什么

SUIM

Indeed it is a cool hand. I am pretty sure 99% of the time I won't be playing like this. Then again, I am not in the same level/league.Then I thought...wait a minute! The very fact fcf posted it and listed under "cool" means he doesn't play like this very often either! Talking about read/tell!Thanks for sharing nonetheless... indeed it IS cool.

maomaobiao

Indeed it is a cool hand. I am pretty sure 99% of the time I won't be playing like this. Then again, ...SUIM 发表于 2010-5-14 09:21wow that is some READ, gj SUIM