7.22現場一手牌

sama

10/20 9人枱,枱子偏緊,sb是一老外有3200比較弱是call station,co+1有5000是一reg風格偏緊,我拿7000在button拿3c3hperflop前面limp了3家,我limp進去,sb bb call,pot 120元flop Qc9s3d,全部check到我,我下注100,sb call,co+2 call,co+1 call,pot 520turn As,sb領先下注350,co+2 fold,co+1 raise到850,到我??

sama

第二個問題,假設我call了,老外想了一分鐘之後all in,co+1想了半分鐘之後all in,到我??

skizzik

SB肯定没有AA QQ，CO+1入局前已经有2个limper了估计也肯定没有AA QQ这里你基本是2nd nuts可以赢很多AQ A9 A3 AQ Q9之类的牌我觉得就算deep我也是不fold的，get in

sama

KK,那第一個問題,你會call還是reraise CO+1?

windstormm

Raise to 2500. all in river if blank.Call is bad because if sb has a draw of any kind he will come along for the great odds. Charge him for the draws.

skizzik

KK,那第一個問題,你會call還是reraise CO+1?sama 发表于 2010-7-23 01:16如果你要3bet那里，你的目的是把CO+1 get in如果call，是希望连SB一块get in如果有人有99，无论re-raise还是call横竖都是一死，那个情况下不存在优化选择的可能我觉得相对来说，我选择call。这不是一个很wet的牌面，对手的牌往往不会对我们造成很大的听牌的威胁。TJ是唯一值得考虑的，其他都不怕。那么这里就算我们用call形成了free card，也不是什么致命伤。彩池已经很大了，如果他转牌semi-bluff后河牌没有听到，CO+1也未必会简单的check/fold投降这手牌，我们还是有可能从中渔利。而你如果re-raise那里，可以打跑很多很强的牌。

windstormm

如果不raise, 你是不可能在river 上all in 的。。board is not dry anymoreafter turn, there is flush and several straight draw possibility.Based on the board and preflop actions, your raise actually represent a very narrow range of strong hand.With the draws on board, you might just get a shove from 2 pair or big draws （10sJs? which might over estimate their fold equity).If you want to win the whole stack, you have to raise turn to set up for river all in.Edit: Second thought, 2500 is probably too much. I didn't notice that they are actually much shorter stack than you.you can probably reraise smaller. Just enough to have another reasonable size bet to put co+1 all in on river.

sama

這把牌我不是BUTTON,我是CO+1,但我在想如果我在BUTTON我會怎樣做呢?他如果RERAISE我的RAISE,基本上我AQ以上才會CALL上,FLUSH DRAW和順子DRAW基本我也只會計OUTS決定CALL還是FOLD,但如果他CALL,RIVER如果不出順花的OUTS,我兩對還是會跟他ALL IN的

windstormm

assume both of sb co+1 call, pot is 2600.co+1 and button both have more than 4000 chips left.button can't put co+1 all in without put in an over pot size bet.That is not a well planned way to get someone stacked (also better odds for sb to call and if co has a draw, you just gave him a free card). on the other hand, raise to 1800. if sb call, then pot is 5400, you have a a little over half pot size all in on river which is perfect sizing.if sb fold, then you have less than pot size left for river shove, also good sizing.especially you mentioned that sb is a weak calling station. So he might come around with any made hand or draws because he might consider that he is commited as short stack. So making co+1 commit became your top priority.

skizzik

现场这牌对手有任何能call转牌的3bet的牌，面对flat几乎必然还会bet river，3000的锅至少会打个1500-2000，你全下他还是commit了如果他有AQ A9之类的，也许网络牌打不完，现场牌基本还是可以把他们打完的