Zoom专题讨论
刷这个贴,想让为数不多的仍在打ZOOM的朋友们一起在这里讨论.共享一下心得和各种问题. 希望大家不要藏私,探讨有助于进步. 影响盈利的因素之一:情绪化.因为这个已经不知道损失了多少钱,心理素质太差真的是个大问题.症状一:易怒, 喜欢怼人.今天又和人怼上了.起因是这么几手牌,PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 4BTN: 136.76 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)Hero (SB): 118.36 BBBB: 263.6 BB (VPIP: 20.18, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 2.74, Hands: 583)UTG: 104.48 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)MP: 44.64 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)CO: 42.8 BB (VPIP: 22.79, PFR: 13.24, 3Bet Preflop: 2.17, Hands: 141)Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BBPre Flop:(pot: 1.4 BB)Hero has5心态坏了还谈什么技术~太年轻了··· 打个扑克容易吗. 前几天调整了hud, 今天看见PT4主页有款Propoker huds.看看和我hud设置思路一样,果断买了一个199.99刀. 刚才用了半小时, 要人命啊,满屏花花绿绿, 眼睛被晃瞎.
发两手牌. 一手好,一手坏.PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 4Hero (BTN): 114.4 BBSB: 64.68 BBBB: 172.76 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)UTG: 96.84 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)MP: 99.08 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)CO: 65.96 BB (VPIP: 25.61, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 84)SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BBPre Flop:(pot: 1.4 BB)Hero has3static/image/smiley/poker/d.gif
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fold,fold,fold,Hero raises to 2.48 BB,fold, BB calls 1.48 BBFlop:(5.36 BB, 2 players)Kstatic/image/smiley/poker/c.gif
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BB checks,Hero bets 1.52 BB,BB raises to 6.04 BB, Hero calls 4.52 BBTurn:(17.44 BB, 2 players)Tstatic/image/smiley/poker/h.gif
BB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BBRiver:(41.44 BB, 2 players)6static/image/smiley/poker/s.gif
BB checks,Hero bets 39.56 BB, BB calls 39.56 BBHero shows3static/image/smiley/poker/d.gif
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(Three of a Kind, Threes)(Pre 49%, Flop 34%, Turn 20%)BB showsTstatic/image/smiley/poker/c.gif
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(Flush, King High)(Pre 51%, Flop 66%, Turn 80%)BB wins 115.12 BB上面这手我觉得打得挺好, 河牌下注的尺寸在2/3 和1pot 之间犹豫好一会.似乎满POT好一些.PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 4BTN: 101.8 BB (VPIP: 24.56, PFR: 18.13, 3Bet Preflop: 7.43, Hands: 1,094)SB: 112.16 BB (VPIP: 28.21, PFR: 22.19, 3Bet Preflop: 9.17, Hands: 2,820)BB: 78.52 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)UTG: 32.64 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)Hero (MP): 127.12 BBCO: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.69, PFR: 17.77, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 293)SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BBPre Flop:(pot: 1.4 BB)Hero has9static/image/smiley/poker/h.gif
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fold,Hero raises to 2.48 BB,fold,fold,fold, BB calls 1.48 BBFlop:(5.36 BB, 2 players)2static/image/smiley/poker/c.gif
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BB checks,Hero bets 1.52 BB,BB raises to 6 BB, Hero calls 4.48 BBTurn:(17.36 BB, 2 players)5static/image/smiley/poker/c.gif
BB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BBRiver:(35.36 BB, 2 players)9static/image/smiley/poker/c.gif
BB bets 20.44 BB, Hero calls 20.44 BBBB shows7static/image/smiley/poker/c.gif
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(Straight, Nine High)(Pre 29%, Flop 16%, Turn 20%)Hero mucks9static/image/smiley/poker/h.gif
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(Three of a Kind, Nines)(Pre 71%, Flop 84%, Turn 80%)BB wins 72.8 BB这手错误的起因很搞笑,新上的hud内容太多很占地方,一会遮住btn的标志,一会遮住对方的下注,一会遮住对方后手筹码. 边打边调,这手当时看不到对方筹码量, 转牌只能跟注. 翻牌除了set全是诈唬,正常对上短筹码转牌一定会R出去,可以拿57,67,78等的价值. 转牌只是跟的话,河牌我基本上跟注100%的河牌. 为了熟悉hud.就多打一会, 结果上头了.... 上头了....以下几手都在同一轮.10分钟内的事情PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 4BTN: 95.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)SB: 77.24 BB (VPIP: 18.02, PFR: 15.62, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 339)BB: 209.64 BB (VPIP: 20.33, PFR: 8.79, 3Bet Preflop: 1.25, Hands: 183)Hero (UTG): 133.36 BBMP: 162.6 BBCO: 163.08 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BBPre Flop:(pot: 1.4 BB)Hero hasKstatic/image/smiley/poker/d.gif
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Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB,fold,fold,fold,foldFlop:(7.4 BB, 2 players)4static/image/smiley/poker/d.gif
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Hero bets 2.12 BB,MP raises to 7.8 BB,Hero raises to 24.8 BB, MP calls 17 BBTurn:(57 BB, 2 players)6static/image/smiley/poker/h.gif
Hero bets 28 BB, MP calls 28 BBRiver:(113 BB, 2 players)Qstatic/image/smiley/poker/h.gif
Hero bets 77.56 BB and is all-in, MP calls 77.56 BBHero showsKstatic/image/smiley/poker/d.gif
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(High Card, King)(Pre 61%, Flop 79%, Turn 20%)MP shows8static/image/smiley/poker/h.gif
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(Straight, Nine High)(Pre 39%, Flop 21%, Turn 80%)MP wins 260.12 BB我不认为有人会用78s平跟UTG OPEN,不认为78hh应该raise flop, 更不认为78会call 3bet.为这个印尼NOOB点赞,我应该先看下他的国籍.第一次碰到印尼人, 应该了解印尼人还没有聪明到可以打扑克.@#$$%^(&.PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 4BTN: 126.6 BB (VPIP: 47.06, PFR: 41.18, 3Bet Preflop: 36.36, Hands: 36)Hero (SB): 123.36 BBBB: 38.56 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)UTG: 88.44 BB (VPIP: 22.07, PFR: 13.15, 3Bet Preflop: 1.33, Hands: 222)MP: 96.2 BB (VPIP: 30.65, PFR: 20.97, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 65)CO: 149.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BBPre Flop:(pot: 1.4 BB)Hero hasKstatic/image/smiley/poker/c.gif
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fold,fold,fold,BTN raises to 3 BB,Hero raises to 9 BB,BB raises to 38.56 BB and is all-in,fold, Hero calls 29.56 BBFlop:(80.12 BB, 2 players)Jstatic/image/smiley/poker/s.gif
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Turn:(80.12 BB, 2 players)2static/image/smiley/poker/d.gif
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(One Pair, Jacks)(Pre 62%, Flop 74%, Turn 86%)BB shows7static/image/smiley/poker/h.gif
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(Two Pair, Jacks and Tens)(Pre 38%, Flop 26%, Turn 14%)BB wins 76.52 BB可能是加拿大人比较有钱吧,微级别的加拿大ID没有一个会打牌的.一个都没有.PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 4BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)SB: 108.68 BB (VPIP: 25.62, PFR: 21.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.82, Hands: 290)BB: 155 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.20, PFR: 8.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 83)MP: 43.6 BB (VPIP: 18.35, PFR: 15.90, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 333)Hero (CO): 103.84 BBSB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BBPre Flop:(pot: 1.4 BB)Hero has4static/image/smiley/poker/c.gif
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fold,fold,Hero raises to 2.48 BB,fold,SB raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB,Hero raises to 103.84 BB and is all-in,fold, BB calls 93.84 BBFlop:(217.68 BB, 2 players)Tstatic/image/smiley/poker/s.gif
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Turn:(217.68 BB, 2 players)Astatic/image/smiley/poker/d.gif
River:(217.68 BB, 2 players)4static/image/smiley/poker/d.gif
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(Two Pair, Kings and Twos)(Pre 78%, Flop 93%, Turn 91%)Hero shows4static/image/smiley/poker/c.gif
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(Two Pair, Fours and Twos)(Pre 22%, Flop 7%, Turn 9%)BB wins 209.68 BBBB的cold call让我摸不太准, ,99-jj居多. 我已经怒不可扼, 推TMD.再轮到小盲.PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 4BTN: 111.56 BB (VPIP: 26.40, PFR: 19.20, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 128)Hero (SB): 108.84 BBBB: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)UTG: 102.28 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)MP: 252.08 BB (VPIP: 16.19, PFR: 14.42, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 108)CO: 123.96 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 20.20, 3Bet Preflop: 13.16, Hands: 206)Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BBPre Flop:(pot: 1.4 BB)Hero hasJstatic/image/smiley/poker/s.gif
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fold,fold,fold,BTN raises to 2.56 BB,Hero raises to 9 BB,fold,BTN raises to 111.56 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 99.84 BB and is all-inFlop:(218.68 BB, 2 players)9static/image/smiley/poker/s.gif
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Turn:(218.68 BB, 2 players)Qstatic/image/smiley/poker/s.gif
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Hero showsJstatic/image/smiley/poker/s.gif
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(One Pair, Jacks)(Pre 18%, Flop 10%, Turn 9%)BTN showsQstatic/image/smiley/poker/d.gif
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(Three of a Kind, Queens)(Pre 82%, Flop 90%, Turn 91%)BTN wins 210.68 BB小盲对BTN,永不停歇的互偷.4个买入也就一根烟的功夫 后面四手牌讨论一下：第2把AK我肯定也这样打，对方才40BB不到~ 第1手牌 你所谓的UTG在6人桌里面其实就是MP1，mp2用同花call你好正常的，换做我可能大多数时候3BET 你， 这里关键是对方在flop里面raise你了，我自己有个原则，当对手翻牌后raise我时我会慢下来思考一下对手的范围，这里raise你的范围里面肯定有SET，你也不是坚果同花听，即便对手是比你小的同花，你的正常outs 都没有到9，call 就好了 因为对手已经展示了他的强硬，你也没有位置，又非坚果兆我不支持打光所以call，TURN同样的 不想打光就控制底池，river要看你诈唬频率，一般刹车了··不要想拿下每个底池；第3手情绪化了；第4手JJ 我不想push的所有不会3bt nl25我只有两手半~3手牌翻前打光，nl200以上4手翻牌光~ 一条街价值诈频 发表于后面四手牌讨论一下：第2把AK我肯定也这样打，对方才40BB不到~ 第1手牌 你所谓的UTG在6人桌里面其实就是M ...谢评论. 有讨论才有进步UTG 一般用EP来描述,这样不会和MP搞混. 在MP用小SC去flat EP的open, 我认为完全是在烧钱, 不太可能打出+EV. 拿来3bet EV也很有限(我尝试过5万手,真不赚钱),当然每个人体系可能不一样.不管什么体系,在MP跟注EP,基本上就是排除顶端3%左右了.小对子,AT/Js这些占了很大比例.KdTd 是我EP最底端,肯定是要fold给preflop 3bet. 然而对MP来说在这个flop r for value的牌实在太少了,只有SET,45s. 所以我认为非常不合理. A5,66,77,88,9Ts,TT,JJ等等一些中等的牌也可能会用来半诈唬,毕竟他有位置,后面可以顺利摊牌.而这个牌面对UTG来说并不太有利. 而我的range里有太多超对, 只有很少7-8个flush draw的诈唬. 所以我认为3bet 更好.我只需要诈唬走他9X,66-88等. 我计划要在转牌overbet全进, 但是这个6不太有利, 这时对超对来说全进显得不太合理. 河牌还算不错.所有9X,88肯定都跟不动了.他如果用88 hero call, 我可能会反醒是不是形象和数据有问题了. 78我真的只想抽他.JJ,这手是他push我,当然他不推我也要推的. 我的体系里4bet出去时大概有40%都是诈唬(抽空我截图出来给大家看),所以我3bet很少诈唬.你只用3手牌4bet+打光. 那说明你做3bet时诈唬的比例太高了. 你可以回想看是不是被4bet的频率非常高. 傻傻的鱼 发表于为了熟悉hud.就多打一会, 结果上头了.... 上头了....以下几手都在同一轮.10分钟内的事情一首歌送给PS把你的st8,我的flush串一串串一株幸运草串一个同心圆让所有期待EV的呼唤, 和胜率做个伴.向PS大声的呼唤说声弄啥咧向那流浪的EV说声我想你让那黄线听得见,让那绿线看得见谁也擦不掉我曾攒下的EV.想带你一起看曲线问声你想干啥给我再多的badbeat说声我不怕听听绿线的誓言,看看执着的黄线让我们 一起干翻他们吧.
傻傻的鱼 发表于谢评论. 有讨论才有进步UTG 一般用EP来描述,这样不会和MP搞混. 在MP用小SC去flat EP的open, 我认为完全 ...9人桌拿掉前3个位置，所谓UTG就是mp1 mp2,少人桌更需要激进,所有6人桌所谓UTGkj+at + 所有对子45s+ 甚至隔一张的小sc 去openriase（需依据后位置激进度调整）很正常 所以MP2可以激进的raise你若没想到这层范围 那你下次应该去考虑了；至于中间你讨论的翻牌后范围，你没位置应该考虑SET最起码的他是call你的 ，所以我和你不同在我非坚果兆，是以防守为主先立于不败考虑，你总是无频率激进需要控制；至于你说我的 3bet过多那是真的 ，我在微小级别里面3bet的很多，对手fold 多，直到他们做出调整 ZOOM 里面他们本身也调整的少fold的多 ，若被4bet我会做记号 ，依据频率调整 ，5bet 全压或fold···
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